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Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society

The Noetic Society is a 501(c)(3) non-profit group with members in Southern California and around the world, who have been inspired to study Homer, Parmenides, the pre-Socratics, Plato, the neo-Platonists, and other perennial philosophers and mystics, not for academic reasons, but for personal spiritual growth. The society was founded by Pierre Grimes, PhD in 1967, and was incorporated in 1978.

(If you would like to help out with this project by reviewing audios and videos and giving them titles, stephanus numbers, and notes, then please contact us either at info at noeticsociety.org, or at my personal address if you know it. I can really use the help! - Thank you. JS)

Guide to abbreviations
  • NSBSNT - Talks at the Theosophical Society's Besant Lodge in Los Angeles
  • NSCHT - Unstructured/impromptu chats or snippets of philosophical conversation
  • NSDRM - Dream Explorations and Philosophical Midwifery
  • NSFRI - Normal dialogues/discussions/study-sessions on Platonic and other perennial-philosophy texts. Over the years, these have usually been held on Friday nights, but not always.
  • NSPRM - Parmenides morning study group
  • NSPRS - Talks at the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles
  • NSSAT - Informal chats, usually on Saturday mornings
  • NSSEM - Seminars
  • NSSPE - Special or One-Time Events
  • NSMISC - Everything else
  • nsbduncan - videotape recordings from BillD in the 80's. All of these are also NSFRI's.
  • nsaops - videos recorded by Marty and Yoni 2008-2013 and originally posted to the Academy of Platonic Studies website. All of these are also NSFRI's.

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Juan and Maria have given us their translations of the books of the Corpus Hermeticum of Hermes Trismegistus .  (Not all 18 books are published here yet: more will be uploaded as the Balboas publish them. Stay tuned!) Click on "PDF" link in the "Download Options".  Each book is separately paginated. More info: http://noeticsociety.org/members/juan-balboa-maria-balboa-translations/
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Translation of Plato's dialogue, Parmenides, by Juan and Maria Balboa. Interlinear Greek and English with key words in color, and additional diagrams and quotes supplied by the authors. There are 3 versions here: #1 - The latest revision from Juan and Maria: (dated May 28, 2018, and posted here July 12, 2018).  This one is "jas-formatted", i.e., JeffS edited in some additional formatting:  Parmenides "paragraph numbers" (as well as for Zeno and Socrates), and horizontal...
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Translation of Plato's dialogue, Phaedo , by Juan and Maria Balboa. Interlinear Greek and English with key words in color, and additional diagrams and quotes supplied by the authors. Latest upload: September 21, 2016 (revised up through 94B) Also available in hard copy at lulu.com . Primary reference for the Phaedo when used in the Friday night discussions and the Parmenides Study Group discussions with Pierre Grimes, Ph.D. Image, Viaje Astral , by Kryziz Bonny, was downloaded on Aug 15, 2016...
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Dialogue(s): commentary-on-parmenides Chapters: book6 Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley Summary of today's topics: Finishing up on yesterday's conversation about the deficits in Morrow and Dillon's translation of Proclus' Invocation/Prayer Pierre's experiences with the philosophical limitations at St Johns College The absurdities of European and American (university) philosophy, which is basically Aristotelian, not Platonic (with which it is at war, since it ignores Wisdom/ the...
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Translations by Juan and Maria Balboa of the Enneads written by the neoplatonist philosopher Plotinus (Wikipedia) (Harpers on Perseus) . Inter-linear Greek and English.  In PDF format. Currently there are only two documents in this set (3.5 and 6.2). More are forthcoming. Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes , and members of the Noetic Society . They have contributed this translation to the Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.  Thank you both! For more...
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Juan and Maria Balboa translation of Proclus' Commentary on Plato's dialogue, Parmenides .  In 8 books of inter-linear Greek and English, separately paginated. Click 'PDF' in the Download Options menu. Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes , and members of the Noetic Society . They have contributed this translation to the Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.  Thank you both! Hard-copies of this translation may also be purchased in various formats on...
Topics: philosophy, plato, proclus, parmenides, commentary-on-platos-parmenides, book01, book02, book03,...
Dialogue(s): parmenides;elements-of-theology Chapters: hyp2;prop177;prop059 Sections: 155d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, JulieH, Eldar, Josh, (Jed and JeffS arrived late) [Parmenides study proper starts at 53:56, when Pierre challenges us to see how Parmenides needs Time (in the 2nd hyp sense, i.e., starting at 151e) in order to reach the final conclusion (of hyp2) regarding Knowledge, Opinion, and Perception of the Self (at P237, 155d).] 0:00:00 Barbara wonders about the word...
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Translation by Juan and Maria Balboa of The Elements of Theology by the neoplatonist Proclus the Successor . Interlinear Greek and English with key words in color, and any additional diagrams and quotes supplied by the authors. Also available in hard copy on Lulu . Latest revision published here is April 12, 2017, following the reasoning of our teacher, Pierre Grimes , and other members of the Noetic Society . The download-able PDF filename indicates the date of the revision contained therein....
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Juan and Maria Balboa translation of Plato's "Menon".  Inter-linear Greek and English.  In PDF format. Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes , and members of the Noetic Society . They have contributed this translation to the Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.  Thank you both! For more information, please visit the Juan and Maria Balboa page at the Noetic Society website.
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Synopsis This is Pierre Grimes' first in a series of articles on the subject of philosophy, philosophical counseling, philosophical midwifery, and The Self, published in Philosophical Practice , the journal of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (of which Pierre was the founder) with permissions of the author and the editor. It is reproduced here under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license . Pierre is the inventor of philosophical midwifery in its modern sense,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 155e,156a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, AdinaB, JeffS Studying Plato through the eyes of Aristotle vs truly capturing the 3rd hypothesis Moderns: Time plus Space Plato/Timaeus: Place before Space 0:04:20 Barbara transcribed part of the dialogue from yesterday (not archived) 0:08:57 Discussion-proper starts DC: How can Ousia be corrupted? Why would Ousia want to even participate in time? PG: You got it. (Quoting Parm)...
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Stephanos sections 163b-164b Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Nancy, Eldar, JeffS Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Bradley, Don Pierre midwifes Bradley and Don on their dreams after his Friday night talk . More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Works(s): Proclus, Commentary on Plato's Parmenides; Philip Wheelwright, The Presocratics (the poem of Parmenides) Chapters: Proclus: Book01 (the Invocation); Wheelwright: First Parmenides poem fragment (I think) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, JulieH, AdinaB Topics Covered, Audio Highlights, and Notes Today we focus again on Proclus' Invocation, at the beginning of his Book 1 in his Commentary on Plato's Parmenides . Text/translation used is Morrow and Dillon, Paperback...
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Regina, Don, JeffS, and Eldar explore dreams with Pierre. Texts of the Dreams Regina's Dream 4/11/18 Before that we were talking about the gods and the ideas and ousia. It was turning upon itself, There was some trouble among the god and I wondered if gods correct themselves. Are they without “bad” or “evil” {had a question: Do the gods correct themselves. I was some where with Pierre and others, a group. I don’t remember. I asked Pierre carefully, I didn’t want to use the words...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;republic Chapters: hyp2,book06 Sections: 148a-d,510a,508d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, JulieP, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Resolving Doxa Continuing (from Wednesday ) with doxa (δόξα) at P237/155d: trying to find it in the 2nd hypothesis Compare with doxa in Plato's "The Republic" at 510a(*) Doxa/opinion is to knowledge     AS Likeness is to that which it is like The role of doxa in midwifery as well, based on the Republic 148a (P116) What...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130b-e Synopsis Pierre leads us through a second (third?) Friday night (in this series -- there have been others of course) of the Parmenides. We are in the prologue, with Parmenides interviewing Socrates. Pierre asks us: What does Socrates fail to see? He can't accept that everything has a Self. Why not? Why does he have difficulty making the connections between upper and lower worlds? What does Socrates lack? What about Socrates' thinking kept...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, parmenides, plg
Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133d,e (P36,P37) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Our study group first continues into our third day ( 1 , 2 ) of looking at what I am calling here the "prelude", i.e., the summary statement Parmenides makes (at P36/133d) of all the problems/issues involved with Socrates' position before he launches into the Master-Slave argument/example. Then, at about an hour-and-a-half in, we start into Parmenides'...
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Original Greek ΠΡΟΚΛΟΥ ΔΙΑΔΟΧΟΥ - ΣΤΟΙΧΕΙΩΣΙΣ ΘΕΟΛΟΓΙΚΗ (13.) Πᾶν ἀγαθὸν ἑνωτικόν ἐστι τῶν μετεχόντων αὐτοῦ, καὶ πᾶσα ἕνωσις ἀγαθόν, καὶ τἀγαθὸν τῷ ἑνὶ ταὐτόν. εἰ γὰρ τὸ ἀγαθόν ἐστι σωστικὸν τῶν ὄντων ἁπάντων (διὸ καὶ ἐφετὸν ὑπάρχει πᾶσι), τὸ δὲ σωστικὸν καὶ...
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Sections: Dream Exploration: Eldar Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. Dream Text Eldar’s Dream 06/04/18 1. I am trying to use the restroom in some place that seems like a motel in Mexico, in kind of a run-down, ghetto kind of neighbourhood. I think I have a room there; I'm staying there temporarily. I need to pee. I'm about to pee and there’s somebody chasing me. That somebody is just outside of the door of my stall and they’re trying to get in. I think it’s a little man. He’s out to...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133c,133d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis Today we stayed with P36 (Parmenides' 36th time to speak in the prologue) in Plato's Parmenides , and went over it to better understand what Parmenides is saying. The main work we did today was to focus on one (complicated, difficult) sentence before the "master argument" is started, and try to figure out what issues that sentence foreshadows. Topics Touched On...
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Synopsis Jeffrey Mishlove interviews Pierre Grimes on Jeffrey's online program, New Thinking Allowed . We are not sure of the copyright status so for now we are only providing links to these videos on Jeffrey's YouTube channel, rather than storing copies of the videos here on archive.org. Thank you, Jeffrey, for interviewing Pierre. We love your channel and your long wonderful line of fascinating guests! Interviews on YouTube: 2017-10-15 Plato's Republic with Pierre Grimes 2017-10-25...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSNTA, pg1, dreams, psychedelics, mysticism, mindfulness
Synopsis Another lovely Saturday morning chatting with Pierre, this time at Jeff and Sayon's house. Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Sayon, JeffS, JeffL. - Some introductory warm-up and chit-chat as we get settled, then Pierre midwifes.. - JeffL on a dream he brought with him (starting at ~0:13:05) - Barbara (starting at ~1:20:20) - JeffS (starting at ~1:36:43) Text of JeffL's Dream JeffL 5/24/18 I’m in a car with my brother or my mom. I think it starts out with my brother and switches to...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSSAT, pg1, NSDRM, NSPMW
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Juan and Maria Balboa translation of Introduction to Arithmetic by Nicomachus of Gerasa .   Inter-linear Greek and English. So far all of Book 1 has been translated, with Book 2 on the way. (Book 1: 23 chapters total; Book 2: 29 chapters total).  Click 'PDF' in the Download Options menu.  Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes , and members of the Noetic Society . They have contributed this translation to the Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.  Thank...
Topics: philosophy, plato, pythagoras, nicomachus, introduction-to-arithmetic
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133d-134c (P36-P48) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS Why is Parmenides using these lower (Master/Slave) terms when he could have used 'King/Subject'? What does 'selves in relation to selves' mean? Why does Parmenides/Plato use 'real being' (ontos) to refer to us (since that's a very different use of that term than he does elsewhere)? Focus on P41-43: Knowledge (capital K) and knowledge (little k): Classes without direct...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130a-132b Parmenides walks Socrates through more of the problems with his view of ideas (theory of forms). More Info Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 128e-130b,131d-e Synopsis We continue our study of Parmenides (2nd Friday night). (This Friday evening we shifted our starting and ending times up an hour, starting at 7:30 instead of 8:30.) Surprisingly, no one came with a dream, so we just worked on Parmenides. This evening divided into three parts: Section 1: 0:00:30 Intro to Why Study the Parmenides, and How Does One Do Philosophy? (Pierre says he should have given this intro talk last week)...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Sections: 165e-166c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Eldar, JulieH, Regina We started with a question from Eldar. "How is the fifth hypothesis 'Image Thinking'?" For those of you who weren't at the seminar, Pierre went through all the hypotheses in terms of the divided line. Learning how to think allegorically -- mapping each term (and its function) in the Cave allegory to a deeper principle. The question of the meaning of daylight and its opposition...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp5, hyp9
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 130a-e (P38-P51) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS [There are 2 diagrams today. For diagram 1, Pierre added more to his 2nd diagram from our June 1st session.] We read from 134A (P38) to 134E (P51) in Plato's Parmenides . Topics touched on Initial chit-chat about Trump's latest antics at the summit. Barbara's question at 129b about this Self Regina's question about P42 - all classes of Self? or just upper? This leads to a...
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Dialogue(s): commentary-on-parmenides Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina Proclus' Introductory Invocation to his commentary: I pray to all the gods and goddesses to guide my mind in this study that I have undertaken--to kindle in me a shining light of truth and enlarge my understanding for the genuine science of being; to open the gates of my soul to receive the inspired guidance of Plato; and in anchoring my thought in the full splendour of reality to hold me back from too much conceit...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, proclus, commentary-on-parmenides
[Audio only for this Saturday: I was just too low energy to manage video today.] 0:00:30 Discussion of Barbara's recent translating of Proposition 7 of Proclus' Elements of Theology ("Every productive cause is superior to that which it produces.") 0:09:00 Pierre announces that he has gotten a job training clinical psychologists in treating addiction using his philosophical midwifery 0:19:45 JeffS explores a dream with Pierre (2-19-2018 JeffS)These ideas come in triplets. And each...
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Four of us explore our dreams with Pierre as midwife. Dream Texts JeffS's dream 4/27/2018 ----- Scene 1 ----- 1 I'm on a football field, in practice. This is my first year there. I'm in the first days in this new school. I guess it's college -- Dartmouth or something. 2 There's this bigger Black guy (another team mate) who hits me from behind, for no reason. I turn around and try to tackle him too, but it doesn't have much effect. I can tell this guy just hates me, and I don't know why. And...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9,hyp1 Sections: 137b,137c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Eldar, JulieH, Regina Synopsis We looked at whether picture thinking was or was not in the 9th Hypothesis. We considered the First Hypothesis in contrast with the Ninth. While Pierre went to the board and made a vertical line with the 1st and 9th on either side we added only one line which I think was mentioned on the tape. That is, I think, a work in progress. The diagram -- simple as it was --...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSPRM, pg1, parmenides, hyp1, hyp9
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Stephanos sections 141e,142a,137c Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieP, Eldar, Ingmar Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 156b,155e (P1, P8) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Adina, Bradley, JeffS Topics Covered, Audio highlights, and Notes Not a lot of text work today. Mostly chit-chat. The session starts out with Pierre sitting at David's kitchen table looking over a book Barbara brought which was mentioned in previous sessions, on the basis of having apparently influenced a Zen person on Facebook who was in conversation with Pierre: Parmenides and the...
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The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation of Plato's dialog, Phaedrus. Interlinear Greek and English, with diagrams by the authors. At this point, only the second speech of Socrates is translated (Stephanus pages 244a-257c).  244a-c is paraphrased. You may also be interested in Juan's talk on this section of the Phaedrus at our Friday night meeting 7/23/2010 , on the occasion of the Balboas' first release of this translation. Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes and members of The Noetic...
Topics: philosophy, plato, phaedrus
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Eldar explores a dream with Pierre. Text of Dreams Eldar's dream My dad is on a mission to buy a car. And his friend Hariz and I are watching him go through the motions of that. And we’re worried about him. Because he’s:doing it in that manic, obsessive, back-and-forth, tragic kind of way. Really he . doesn’t need a new car. So I’m talking to Hariz about him. I know that Hariz also sees: what I see. I say something like “So have you tried talking him out of it?” He says...
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Work(s): Proclus: Commentary on Plato's Parmenides Chapters: book01,invocation Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Mark Topics Covered, Audio Highlights, and Notes (Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Parmenides: text used is Dillon and Morrow's translation, Paperback ISBN-13: 978-0691020891, ISBN-10: 0691020892; Hard cover 0691073058 ) Proclus' Commentary on Plato's Parmenides: Book 01, “Invocation” Barbara looking at some of the words more closely Gina's question, re, “the mind of...
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Stephanus sections: 136d 136e 137a 137b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, Bradley, JeffS Why did Socrates go to see Zeno, not Parmenides? Why would Zeno want to re-hear Parmenides' hypothesis? And why hadn't he heard it for a long while, being Parmenides' student? Why would Parmenides say he dreaded -- like Ibycus' race horse -- going through the exercise, when in fact, the first (his) hypothesis is quite short, and he had no indication (until Aristoteles' objected) that he would have...
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Dialogue(s): iliad Book 2, Lines 341-387 and Lines 422 - 433 Original title: Geography and The Dream sent by Zeus to Agamemnon Notes OPENING QUESTION: What’s at stake? The more integrity you can find in the text, it builds you see. And therefore, any questions we have about it that challenge the integrity of the text will sap our interest when it gets into more profound states. So, we want to raise all the questions. QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MAP: (The map locates all the ships mentioned in Book 2...
Topics: philosophy, plato, NSFRI, pg1, nsaops, iliad, homer, book02
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Stefanos sections: 129b-c,136b-c From Barbara: A smallish group today: Gina, Dave, Brad, Me, Pierre, and Josh. Pierre began the session by asking, "Is it worthwhile being clear about what Parmenides says the nature and power of that which can destroy the dialectic?" We started at 135B-C. Pierre asked about this passage, "Is this a perfect description of Socrates?" Then we went to Socrates at 129 B-C to examine Socrates' position to see if it matched. Then we went back to...
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Sections: Dream Exploration: JeffS Pierre helps JeffS explore a recent dream. Text of Dream JeffS's dream Fri May 18 2018 [In reading this dream it's important to know that in waking life my mother had practiced pediatrics and later psychiatry.] 1 I guess I'm helping my mom clean the house. Or she's cleaning the house, and I'm assisting, or at least talking with her while she works. And as the dream starts out, I have asked her what my problems could be owed to, or why I am having these.....
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 134b-135c (P42-P53) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Wrapping up studying the section informally called, the "Master argument", in Plato's Parmenides . We focus today on P51, P52, and P53, with various puzzles in each section. More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp2 Sections: 155d (P237), 154e (P231), 155c (P233), 154d-155d (P228-P234) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Nancy, JulieH, Eldar, Jed, JeffS Continuing (from Monday ) with doxa (δόξα) at P237/155d: Trying to find it in the 2nd hypothesis. Why/how can he use it here? What did he do in the 2nd hyp that qualifies? Besides "opinion", Doxa could also be "belief", "appearance", "reputation", "expectation", or...
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Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides Saturday chit-chat with Pierre Topics Covered, Audio Highlights, and Notes Pierre on the Via Roma in World War II - not much has changed in 2,000 years Michael Moore's interview yesterday (broadcast on KPFK Pacifica) with Amy Goodman, on Democracy Now. Proclus: Dialectic on Providence. Not actually defined . 1 Crop circles - signs of intelligence A Friendly Dialectic (diagram forthcoming) More strategy/planning on how to approach learning Greek with...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp1 Sections: 137d-138c (P1-P28) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar Our study group continues its task of moving through the statements Parmenides makes in his (1st) hypothesis of the One-Self. We are looking for a pattern in the references to 'One' and to 'Self' in order to see if we can discover how he thinks. While doing this, we reconsider some of the references to αυτο [You may want to just skip to 24:50, which is where they really get...
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Philosopher and Bodhisattva. Thanks to Bob Keller for filming, Julie Grabel Postel for producing and funding, and Sean Angier and Lisa Bivens for editing and digitizing from VHS to DVD. http://noeticsociety.org
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;gospel-of-john A lovely Saturday morning coffee chat with Pierre and the NS gang at Bill and Ronda's house in their beautiful garden. [I did not film this Saturday: too tired, and too hard to get camera angles all figured out in a new location, so I just nixed it.] Attendees: Pierre, Ronda, Bill, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, DavidC, MarkB, Ingmar, Eldar, Sayon, JeffS First 3+ minutes are just us gathering and getting seating and table arranged to talk with Pierre out in Bill...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp3 Sections: 155e-156e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Bradley, Adina, JeffS Topics Covered, Audio Highlights, and Notes 00:00 Discussion (PG & Bradley) of what it is about the Zen people that causes them to avoid at all costs, the Logos. And a subset of those who break off from the main branch, because of this. 12:05 DC's question about the One's participation in Time (the 3rd) 14:21 The heart of Zen Buddhism is in the 3rd hypothesis But the...
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Juan and Maria Balboa translation of Plato's Republic.  Interlinear modern English with ancient (Attic) Greek words rearranged in each sentence in order to correspond to their English word counterparts immediately above. First published in 2007, this translation has undergone multiple revisions. This latest revision was completed in February 2018. Download-able from the PDF link in the "Download Options" menu on this page. Thank you, Juan and Maria! More information on the Balboa...
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The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation of Plato's dialog, Theaetetus. First published 2006-10-18. The version here is a revision dated 2014-10-23, and was posted here on our archive on 2018-01-19. A pre-printed earlier revision is also available on lulu.com . Juan and Maria are students of Pierre Grimes and members of The Noetic Society .
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Stephanos sections: 61d 61e 62a 62b 62c 62d 62e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Josh, Eldar, Nancy, JulieH, Bradley, Ronda, Bill, JeffS Do any of these hymns, based on their content, look like something Socrates would write? (see PDFs) We have help from the gods. Cebes' account of Socrates' position. Working from Plato's Phaedo: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Thanks again to Barbara's amazing little recorder (SONY IC RECORDER MP3 4.3.0)!...
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Dialogue(s): commentary-on-platos-parmenides;greater-hippias;three-pillars-of-zen Chapters: book05 Sections: 982,987 Synopsis Another great Saturday dialoguing informally with Pierre. Pierre suggests that Proclus' 4-part dialectic is either unclear in itself, or that Proclus is discussing something else. At the very least, the four words he uses (as they are translated in Morrow/Dillon: 'Definition', 'Demonstration', 'Division', and 'Analysis') do not correspond to the way we use these words in...
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Dialogue(s): iliad Chapters: book02 Original title: Geography, Demography and Oneiromancy Notes BOOK 2 THE DREAM: "The first flash of the will of Zeus" and "Zeus raises the whole problem of Achilles to a higher, more profound level." 01:17 - How should we analyze it? 15:03 - We're dealing with one idea, are we not? Does Zeus add anything? In general, you can say, are they adding? And what difference does the adding make? 15:57 - What does Zeus add to the design of the dream?...
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Four of us explore our dreams with Pierre as midwife, as usual. Text of Dreams Belinda's dreams 4-28-18 There were many people in different experiences, there was many things in each experience, if one was in one experience and another in another, the other in the another could not see the experience the other was in, it was like whatever they were experiencing was the only thing that could be experienced, like they could only see the experience they were in, like there were no other...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9 Sections: 165e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Brief Synopsis of Today's Work (Play!) A) Commonality and symmetry among the hypotheses B) Reading the 1st 3 P's of hyp9 and finding a restatement/affirmation of the 1st hyp (albeit in the negative) Detailed Notes A) LOOKING FOR RELATIONSHIPS / SYMMETRY BETWEEN THE HYPOTHESES, BASED ON HOW THEY BEGIN Is there any formal connection between 9 and 8? Eldar: "return again to the...
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Stephanus sections: 129e,130a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Nancy, JeffS Parmenides discussion starts at 15m:13s. Initial discussion is of two books(*) Pierre is considering looking into with the morning group, and a review of his visit to a weekend men's conference. Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image, "Mirror, Mirror" , by Wagner Machado Carlos Lemes. Downloaded from Flickr on Oct 24, 2016,...
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Sections: Dream Explorations: Kevin, JeffS, JulieH, Bradley Synopsis Pierre helps four of us explore the meaning of our dreams. [Dream texts to be uploaded imminently.] More Info Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 135c-138a,127e,128a-b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Our Parmenides study group continues now after the end of the "master argument". Some initial chit-chat and then we start in around 0:07:00. Is Socrates 'stung'? Parmenides sees Socrates 'impulse' Curious use of 'logos' and honorific 'sauton' (thy-self). What is meant by 'gather thyself together' here? Use of 'impulse' in the Republic, as well. Using this...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp8,hyp4 Sections: 165c-165e (P20-P24), 158b (P15) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, Regina 165c P20 additions: "and by appearing to be like.." Comparing the 8th hypothesis here to the shadows on the wall of the allegory of the Cave (in The Republic) 0:16:40 P22 What is a phantasm? Does its origin lie in "the different"? In any universe, if there are 2 things, and one is a phantom of the other, there is a fundamental difference...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132b-133d Synopsis Pierre leads us through the part of the Intro/Prologue (in Plato's dialogue, Parmenides ) leading up to the Master-Slave argument. The key issue here is all the problems that come with Socrates' view of ideas. Parmenides carefully follows Socrates' line of reasoning and shows Socrates the absurdities that follow from his view of ideas.(*) [(*) This view is often called Socrates' "Theory of Forms", in...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 132c-133c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics Touched Upon 2nd Infinite Regress problem The problem of participation again (P34) Difficulties/blockages to Self Ousia aded (P35) Problems with our (current, mainstream) fascist educational model More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The...
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Synopsis This is Pierre Grimes' fourth in a series of articles on the subject of philosophy, philosophical counseling, philosophical midwifery, and The Self, published in Philosophical Practice , the journal of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (of which Pierre was the founder) with permissions of the author and the editor. It is reproduced here under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license . Pierre is the inventor of philosophical midwifery in its modern sense,...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg;hyp1 Sections: 135d,135e,142a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Eldar, Alex, JeffS [This was a great session, and my notes were scratchy again. I want to come back and re-do them. Anyone wants to contribute some, I'll take 'em!  Also, 2nd day in a row meeting at Panera.  Lots of background noise and music. So today I put a Shure headset on Pierre (left ear) and a Shure MX omni-directional table mic out for the rest of us (right ear).   -JS] q1:...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 131e-132c (P16-P26) Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Belinda, Ingmar, Eldar, JeffS Synopsis As usual, our study group works through Plato's dialogue, Parmenides . This morning we continue our work in the Prologue section, 131e-132c, where Parmenides deals with Socrates' 'theory of forms' (as it is usually called in Amer-Euro academic philosophy), and the absurdities produced by it. (Academia has largely ignored this section and...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp5 Sections: 159b-160b Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, JulieH, KevinG, Eldar 0:00:30 warm-up / pre-discussion 0:08:30 start hyp5 P1 He is stressing at opening of the 5th that the 4th hypothesis is very clear (skip about 48 minutes.. I took notes, then lost them, ugh.) In any duality, how did that first distinction arise? Difference Pierre with JulieH: Could anything be engineered without the existence of numbers? Of a circle / radii? Is there any...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 133c-d Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, JulieH, Eldar, JeffS We spent our time this morning working to understand Parmenides' statements (at P35 and P36). More Info The NS Parmenides Study Group The text we use the most: Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation Pierre Grimes and Philosophical Midwifery The Noetic Society The Pierre Grimes and the Noetic Society collection here on archive.org.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 136a-137a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, JulieH, Regina, Eldar, JeffS Topics touched on 136c - discussion of the words, "extraordinary undertaking" and "certain/definite". Is 'ti' referring to the 'highest, most renowned Self'? 136d,e - An ethical matter. What can we tell from Zeno's statement? "Discursive Progression" - JulieH/lexicon: instead of this, maybe "orbit" or "full account"? Regina 135a...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: hyp9;hyp1 Sections: 165e-166c;142a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar Highlights: [Another “pocket” recording day. Sorry for the shuffling. (We eventually went back to table-top recorder placement.) Thanks for your patience. -JS] Starting with P4 in the 9th. (165e) The force of the word, “in”: present in . 166a P6 Appearance: Communion: Is that a one-ness? A kind of participation? Barbara: Are they saying that In order for something to...
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Stephanus sections: 136c Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, Regina, Eldar, JeffS If you were to do the dialectic of Zeno, how would you set it up, to do section (4) of Parmenides' dialectic? Alt: What are the difficulties you encounter in setting it up in order to proceed with the dialectic? We read from Proclus's commentary ( Morrow/Dillon translation ), pages 365, 366, 358, 359, 354, 19, 20. 1 We look over how Proclus runs the dialectic over Providence, Likeness, and Soul. For Proclus, why don't his...
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Dialogue(s): parmenides Chapters: plg Sections: 136a-c, 142d-e Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Eldar, Nancy, JulieH, Josh, Yoni, JeffS Doing Zeno's exercise in 136a,b,c continued Working from Plato's Parmenides: The Juan and Maria Balboa Translation More info: http://noeticsociety.org/psg Image The ghosts of Christmas tree past drops courtesy of Flickr user Steve Wall under a CC BY-NC-SA 2.0 license when downloaded on 2017-08-06.
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Dialogue(s): parmenides;republic Chapters: plg book7 Sections: 130b 130c 130d 130e 131a 524d 524e 525a Attendees: Pierre, Barbara, David, Regina, Kevin, Brad, JulieP Can you separate Likeness from Likeness itself? Is there an idea of Likeness? Could you use 'itself' in respect to that word? I.e., does it have a self? What happens when you go from 'like' to 'likeness'? (giving it a substance) Is there such a thing as 'good'? 'Goodness'? What does the -ness add? PG reads from Republic (transl:...
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Synopsis This is Pierre Grimes' third in a series of articles on the subject of philosophy, philosophical counseling, philosophical midwifery, and The Self, published in Philosophical Practice , the journal of the American Philosophical Practitioners Association (of which Pierre was the founder) with permissions of the author and the editor. It is reproduced here under a Creative Commons BY-NC-ND 4.0 International license . Pierre is the inventor of philosophical midwifery in its modern sense,...
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